“The question is should you require – and I think ultimately, unless there is compulsion, you won’t get the benefits of an ID card system – is it right to compel those that don’t have a passport also to get an ID card?

“I think it is, I think it will become inevitable that you need reliable means of identification, both to stop people stealing your identity, and also making it much, much easier for you to deal with the state.”

I don’t especially WANT to have todeal with the state, ta very much – every time I have to it takes money off me. Why would I want to make that process easier?