Nosemonkey's EUtopia

In search of a European identity


  1. And now the local Labour MP has got involved. This from the BBC:

    Mr Mahmood said: "What he has done is brought into disrepute the role of the chair of the Central Mosque and the Muslim community in Birmingham.

    "If he wants to make cheap political points then he really ought to relinquish his position as chairman and let somebody who is neutral and has the interests of the community do it."

    The fact is, regardless of whether this man is a muslim or not, he speaks the truth, and most of the rest of the British public believe something similar. Full Brown nose marks to the Labour lick of an MP.

  2. he also said this, though:
    (a-Q is figment of CIA's imagination, bombers 'could have been innocent' etc etc)

    That's pretty serious.
    MP Khalid Mahmood is calling on him to step down:,…

  3. Chris – of course, the fact that Mr mahmood himself, is a Labour MP, means he's ENTIRELY neutral…

    Gotta love 'em.

    Valerie – to be entirely fair (and not to suggest that I necessarily believe this), there is little tangible evidence for A-Q being the kind of vast organisation that they have often been presented as being, so that's perhaps a fair(ish) point. Likewise, as of yet there is – technically – no hard evidence that those named as being the 7th July bombers actually were responsible. Personally I'd say it's 99.9% certain, but still not 100% – and the initial evidence presented was largely circumstantial.

    I more than get your point, though. But still – if we've learned anything over the last three weeks, its surely that the information we're given isn't always accurate – cf. an innocent Brazilian being described as an asian with a bomb belt.

  4. So what you're saying Valerie is that he had the temerity to point out innocence before guilt and that Al-Q is a figment of the CIA's imagination. Was freedom of speech destroyed three weeks ago? To be fair, I reckon the suspects are as guilty as hell, but he still has a right to say what he thinks. He has a point about the CIA, but that is more about the beginning of Al-Q and the need for the FBI to create an organisation to prosecute Bin Laden.

    What stinks is the idea that if you hold a public position you can't hold an opinion. What it stinks of is hypocrisy

  5. Agree we haven't always been given accurate information (far from it) but Dr. Naseem is being *very* tendentious in the circumstances. (NB he was a Respect candidate).

    Re. al Qaeda – it does seem to have gone from being viewed as something very tangible to something pretty meaningless that's 'just a brand name' back to something that is a tangible organisation with a brand.

  6. Yep I'd say temerity is a pretty good word for it.

    Of course freedom of speech wasn't destroyed – that's why Blair comes out with rubbish.

  7. This fucking twat of an Imam also denied that Muslims were responsible for the bombs. 'Where's the proof?' he asked.
    Who does he fucking think it is? Mossad? The Methodists? My mum?
    With this kind of denial in a supposedly senior Muslim cleric we haven't got a frigging hope.

  8. That version of his comments is very different from those you will find from other news sources, e.g.
    The Israeli politician Netanyahu was warned not to leave his hotel before the general public was informed that there had been a bombing — tipped off by the Mossad, which somehow knew what was really going on

    If he actually said 'Blair is a liar, the sky is blue, and btw Mossad probably bombed the tube', and then quote some Labour MP saying his comments are outrageous, its a bit disingenouis to leave out the last bit.

  9. Sory – to be honest, I didn't read his comments, or even see who they were by. I saw the headline and used it for a quick, obvious 5-second joke.

    But since you mention the Mossad thing, I believe that – technically – the Netanyahu being warned before leaving his hotel is true, and the warning probably did come from the Israeli secret services. He was due to attend a conference at Liverpool Street, and was phoned by agents there as soon as the bombs went off to warn him not to come. That would have been before the general public knew – although not for sinister reasons, merely because at that early stage they probably thought it was an assassination attempt.

    Irrelevant, but perhaps interesting to those who've heard those silly "Israel knew" rumours and not the explanation of where they've come from.